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FOMO bug is biting hard at my ankles on this one... 2022 Winged GT3 CPO (first sale 09/2021): loaded and 100% speced to exactly how I would new (common desirable ones and not rare options with PTS or CXX). I'm in the market and dead set on a 992.1 Winged GT3 as my weekend+track car for the next 5+ years. The market is unpredictable so there's constant struggle to be patient and jump on first chance .

Though as I type this wall of text post out and studied the carfax more, I'm more likely abandon the thought now. Figured I'd still post it for the sake of discussion (and maybe future opportunity considerations).

Carfax report (mostly routine except the big ones below):

• 5 owners - traveled coast to coast couple of times
• Under 3rd owner (5900k mi): Front strut replaced
• Under 4th owner (6k mi): Engine and Transmission replaced
• Under 5th owner (7k mi): Right rear axle replaced
• ~1700 mi driven since engine/transmission replacement

Cosmetically (Only what I can observe but I suppose not as important):

• Not the best full PPF job, will probably re-do after a few track days.
• Single stripe on duck spoiler (under the PPF), none on the wing, roof, hood (odd to me).
• Dirty and weak clips frunk surrounds where it meets the chassis (not the battery cover).
• Dirty yellow seat belts

Main concern was originally the engine and transmission replacement. Upon inquiry, sales manager pulled PIWIS report (?) and stated service found metal shavings during oil change and opted to do an engine rebuild (not new) out of "abundance of caution." This is surprising to me as I doubt PCNA would authorize an expensive rebuild without specific cause or recall. Then the transmission replacement was because it had to come out to take out the engine. To me this shouldn't trigger a replacement on the report, plus to my knowledge it only needed a disconnect rather than completely taken out.

There's a handful of threads in other forums with GT4RS and 992.1 GT3 engine replacements that constitutes as a "possible known issue" but doesn't seem to be to the effect of wide spread problem like with 991.1 recalled E engines. Most are related to oil pump or cylinder corrosion pitting on earlier builds. Maybe this is the metal shaving from the pitting on early engine? Conflicted with this as it's good: engine replaced but bad: quality of the Porsche dealer that did the job?

I then didn't realize until writing this post it also has strut and axle replacements, which leads me to believe there's some unreported incident on the street or an incident on track. I accepted fact that getting a used GT3 will have high chance of it being tracked (some more obvious than others like an installed roll cage ) so I'm not too bothered by it being tracked, but these replacements by the dealer is concerning if it's a warranty claim.

I'd for sure get a PPI but not sure how much that will reveal and I know price negotiation is definitely possible which could bring it down to a "decent deal" price (it's probably at or a slightly above market as listed right now). What are the thoughts on an in demand car with a history like this? Hoping to avoid the "just get it if you want it" approach and more on the logical severity of the history of the car that could result in too much risk of pain down the road which could be solved with just patience on another one. Appreciate the discussions

No easy answer without seeing and driving the car. Is that a possibility for you?

Anyway, five is a lot of owners for a 7,700 mile car. Maybe the reasons for the engine & trans are valid and it'll be a good car for you, especially as a track car.

However, one thing that strikes me is that I have a feeling that the car might not have been well-cared for. Some of your observations indicate that possibility.

Service records would help discern the level of care above and beyond the minimum required. My GT4 gets tracked hard but I service it at triple what Porsche calls for. It's also looked over diligently at every opportunity - when I bring it home, when it's at the dealership for tires, which is often, or in for other service which is also frequent. Good people are looking it over which gives a measure of comfort.

CPO helps a bit but that 2-years will be gone quicker than you know, so I'd be prepared for whatever might come your way. A truly thorough PPI from someone good is just about mandatory but, as you pointed out, it can only reveal so much. An oil analysis might offer some insight but then again, maybe not.

It's definitely a crap shoot but isn't that usually the case? You could end up with a great GT3. I know, I waffled the answer!

CPO buys you a little time to live with it to get a better sense, but it sounds like that car had a tough childhood. I’d feel much better about the motor if it came in a crate from Germany too. I think it comes down to price and your priorities. To me that car sounds like it should be selling 10+% below the low end of the market. Even with CPO that’s quite a back story. Now if you could buy it cheap, evaluate it for a year under CPO, and potentially keep it 5+ years as a workhorse — maybe. Everyone has their own priorities, but I’d rather start with a cleaner background and pay regular prices upfront than take a shot in a car like this unless it was sooo cheap you couldn’t pass it up. But knowing the GT3 market and dealer CPO pricing, I doubt that’s the case.

Always value your insightful thoughts @blueline and @Tom!

I was able to inspect it in person, sit in it, etc. but unsurprisingly the dealer didn't want it test driven by default. I'm sure I can push to make a case for a test drive given the replacement histories. They were at least open to transport it to an experienced shop for PPI nearby. It does seems like service records are up to date within Porsche's database, I didn't press them too much on every little detail yet for my first evaluation.

I'm also the type of person who'd rather pay upfront on a clean history used and/or something new. I had a good experience with CPO Spyder and a bad experience with a new order Lotus (probably not a fair manufacturer comparison ). Dealt with one too many ruined track and road trip weekends than I care to have, so I'm thinking this just might be in the too risky realm for me (3hr one way to track weekends for me usually).

Crap shoot indeed when it comes to these GT cars , I already know there are many cases like these where low mileage with such a big hard history won't deter everyone automatically. Certainly becomes one of those "if the price is right" rather than not touching it with 10 ft pole . But boy, at the rate these things are going for, yeesh! Difficult to justify anything but perfection no matter what the "right price" is! In contrast buying a garage queen isn't risk free either (sometimes worse!).