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Questions are coming up regarding brake upgrades and the like (different rotors, calipers, pads, etc.) that are available for both track and street use that members here have used, so I thought I'd start a thread just for brakes since so many of the excellent questions and responses are buried in different (and often lengthy) threads covering a lot of other things besides brakes! Eventually it becomes difficult to find what has been previously posted, so maybe this more narrowly dedicated thread will draw some of that info and knowledge into one place where it will be easier for others to find.

With that said, please post (or re-post) your thoughts, experiences, likes, dislikes, etc. regarding brake setups for street or track and everything in-between! :D

@WillyDaP @J-Dub @JetFuelOnly @Treemagnet

I'll start with a few links that I dug up regarding brakes to get the thread off the starting line. However, I'm hoping that we can get a real discussion started that goes on indefinitely about brakes, one with real posts rather than the shortcut links I posted below. Thanks in advance!!! :thumbup:

Paragon Brake Pads review - JetFuelOnly

AP Racing/Essex J-Hook rotors

Racing Brakes for a Cayman?

Links to Essex/AP Racing's web site and their YouTube channel

2016 GT4 Rotor Suggestions

PS: Thinking this can be a thread regarding brakes and brake upgrades for any and all Porsches.



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This idea seems confusing and a muddle.

"brake setups for street or track and everything in-between"
"PS: Thinking this can be a thread regarding brakes and brake upgrades for any and all Porsches."

I would never think to look in Crazy Eddie's Corner > Racing for general info about stock 718 brakes, for example.

The site seems to be organized into different Porsche lines. Why break that? I appreciate your work to find and post several links, but without any labeling, one must follow the links blindly and then read and interpret what is there to see if it might be relevant. I don't see that working well.

Sorry to be critical; I realize that is easier to find fault than to create. Just hoping to maybe avoid building messy cul-de-sacs.
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ReidMcT,

I think the reason blueline listed so may options is because there is not a definite answer for brakes or brake pads. Having worked in a Motorsports Division and Sold Performance Vehicles you have to ask each customer what works for them and choices may be from simply doing new pads, yet with various types of brake rotors, different methods of cooling , customer usages, there are a ton more variables. I am still of the mind that one needs to ask lots of questions, pin down what they think is the direction they want to move forward after doing all this due diligence. So , in essence I am suggesting folks look into all those sources as they may find something in various threads that seems to fit their needs and the beauty of Carpokes is they can often direct questions to members in the conversation section.

Brakes, brake pads , rotors , ducting, etc. is often very much an arcane Art, and surprisingly the answers tend to often vary. For folks who drive primarily on the street with and occasional DE, the selection of pads is quite wide, for those wanting to race, do Time Trials , and who brake extremely late, may find a much narrower cluster of pads to use. I appreciate lots of personal information because drivers are so different.

At one time I help sell plenty of brake pads ( but that also included rotors , fluids , upgraded systems and more ) and yet even within a certain brand one tended to suggest different temperature grades.

I agree something like what is listed by Crazy Eddie is quite helpful, I am just cautioning that it is not the final answer. In racing Spec Miatas , years back, I had a secret weapon while running with a slug of tiny horsepower clones , all of which did not have ABS, because I found a brake pad that was very progressive and seldom would cause a wheel to lock up as you could feel the pressure. Outbraking was a key to winning races in those little momentum bumble bees, and since most folks were running Hawks, notorious for a quick lock up and fast rotor wear, the pad I used was a secret weapon. Of course , I ended up selling those pads to others , but some were so used to the dynamics of the Hawks they stayed with them -- often for nothing more than it fit their braking style.

Lastly, what is so great about Carpokes is by spending time here , often just for the Carpoke Camaraderie, I found that blueline and J-Dub were Trackrats and for me they were the individuals I wanted to ask more specific questions. Ironically their personal answers and help convinced me to try the Ferodos ( even while I still have access to some pads at Dealer Cost ). J-Dub even gave me a link to an interesting old gentleman who was the most reasonable on pricing as the pads are uber pricey. I have been super pleased as I run them on the street, they are wearing well and I am a driver who normally goes through pads quickly, so it is a good choice. Their info and plenty of reading made me realize the Ferodo 2500 was not for my braking style and so I bypassed them, after chatting with others and listening to their demands, driving style and more.

Rambling man with all these paragraphs, my thoughts are you are quite correct to view a listing like you found, but like tires I really suggest drivers look much deeper, because there are so many personal variables and once one throws in even a few mods things can change. Yes, all my notes are simply saying you are both right, one needs to view plenty of avenues to find the one that seems in the direction they are going.
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ReidMcT wrote: Wed Dec 25, 2024 3:09 am This idea seems confusing and a muddle.

"brake setups for street or track and everything in-between"
"PS: Thinking this can be a thread regarding brakes and brake upgrades for any and all Porsches."

I would never think to look in Crazy Eddie's Corner > Racing for general info about stock 718 brakes, for example.

The site seems to be organized into different Porsche lines. Why break that? I appreciate your work to find and post several links, but without any labeling, one must follow the links blindly and then read and interpret what is there to see if it might be relevant. I don't see that working well.

Sorry to be critical; I realize that is easier to find fault than to create. Just hoping to maybe avoid building messy cul-de-sacs.
Cross-reference - it's a boon for everyone. Nothing changes with the locations of original posts that might be linked here.

One can still post about brakes for specific models under the respective sub-forums and can search for same too. No one is forced into using the new thread - it's just another potentially beneficial and more focused resource that will be easy to find.

Nothing is lost or taken away from that with this new thread. Quite the opposite, the thread offers an additional, concise spot to gather information - a big reason why forums exist. I don't think it's confusing to users and it certainly doesn't detract from other similar postings. No other answers or threads will be diminished, especially true if users reference comments located elsewhere in the new thread. Doing that will in fact enhance the overall accumulation of ideas and thoughts, along with making it easier to find relevant posts.

A specific thread will also potentially make it much easier for someone to quickly find some (but not all) relevant data, including links and information. A successful search will be more easily realized, especially true if those who post add appropriate links to other resources both within and without Carpokes. That's exactly what I did in the initial post of the new thread, hoping to encourage others to do the same.

(I could have/should have titled those links which would have made them better. It was Christmas Eve and later in the evening so I left them raw - I may update them later. Meanwhile, not sure if you clicked on any of the links but it only takes a few seconds to see what's there - one doesn't have to read further if the post isn't what's being looked for. One link was to JetFuelOnly's superb YouTube video of a brake brand that I wasn't familiar with. I think that might be helpful to many.)

Anyway, the specific thought regarding the more or less all-encompassing brake thread was to address a need. We've had several questions regarding brakes lately, mostly regarding aftermarket products for competition or harder edged driving. Re-answering similar questions that might have been previously answered can be challenging, especially knowing and remembering that someone has posted a good answer or useful information in multiple other threads somewhere on Carpokes, such as those about brakes in the wonderful but lengthy (96-pages and counting!) "What Did You Do With Your 718 This Week?". That's an incredible thread that will hopefully go on forever, but finding posts about brakes within that or any other thread can be tedious.

Also, many brake questions and their respective answers tend to follow a general consensus and are not bound by specific models (or even marques). Searching every sub-forum for tidbits about brakes is time consuming, and that's assuming a user is comfortable with or willing to take the often lengthy amount of time it takes to accomplish a successful search. A search can be frustrating for a relatively general subject such as opinions and experiences about brakes.

As for putting the thread under the "Racing" sub-forum, well, that is where the heart of leading edge brake technology resides. I considered putting it under the "All Things Porsche!" sub but "Racing" seemed more logical. Search brakes either using Carpokes search or Google or any other search engine and you'll find the thread very easily. It's titled in such a way as to be very clear about what's contained therein - "Brake Upgrades, Advice, Experiences" - it's quite helpful in that respect alone.

Lastly, it's simply just another helpful resource on Carpokes, a precise thread to aggregate brake answers. Brake systems (and the accompanying technology) is a very specific, focused and important subject area of all motorsports. The new thread does not limit anything else one might want to post elsewhere about brakes or other more specific subjects.

Hope that explains the reasoning a bit.

PS: I just now did a search engine query using "Carpokes brakes" in the search field. The results below popped up in the attached screenshot. The new thread was already at the top of the results list of a public search engine!

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Sounds good!
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ReidMcT wrote: Wed Dec 25, 2024 12:20 pmSounds good!
I just cleaned up and named the Carpokes links in my initial post of this thread. Much better! (Thanks for the nudge.) :angel:
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Another recent thread regarding brake discussions for track cars and their drivers. :thumbup:

Upgrading brake pads for GT4RS?
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I intended to post this at the end of 2024 track season but forgot.

An area that can be overlooked for debris (rubber) is the inside rotor cooling slots which are not always easily seen or accessed until the rotors are removed. The exit slots can get clogged, significantly diminishing their ability to cool extremely hot brakes. The collected and accumulated rubber in the second pic was from the inside slots of just one front wheel. I'm now making sure that I reach behind each rotor, cleaning those slot areas when rotating wheels/tires.

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Super solid post as I have seen this over the years but I have failed to ever report it and as blueline noted it can diminish the cooling ability to a large degree. Thanks blue I will place a line on my track check sheet from now on to make sure I have cleaned things out if needed. I have had the same experience but I really should check this more often since I brake rather late , like ... yesterday, ha! Appreciate this valuable tip as rocks can get between the caliper and pad , but this is a way more common concern. I have had " Flame On " in my rotors a couple of times and each situation could have been avoided if I had remembered to do this rotor check.

PS - did I say thank you?!
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Tim, wow on the rubber in the rotors. I have rubber bits nearly everywhere else so it makes sense but I have never looked there. Will check next time I am under the car or the tires are off. I was under the front today making a sway bar hole adjustment.
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