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First F1 race of 2023 (Bahrain) is in the books. Verstappen won which many expected. What was not entirely expected was the dominating 1-2 finish by Max V and his teammate Perez. Alonso finished 3rd with his new Aston Martin team.

As posted on another topic, I did not watch the race and have read elsewhere that there wasn't much excitement. If anyone watched or has comments they can add, please post them here.

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Like many of you, I suspect, I first got interested in F1 from reading Henry Manuel's reports in R&T magazine( OK, you OLD Carpokeans). The last few years, not so much, it's usually a parade with little excitement, most of the drivers are egòtists of the first order, and the rules are stupid. But it's interesting to see that Hamilton isn't the wunderkind everyone thought if he doesn't have the very best ride.
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Bill in Bama wrote: Mon Mar 06, 2023 8:20 am Like many of you, I suspect, I first got interested in F1 from reading Henry Manuel's reports in R&T magazine( OK, you OLD Carpokeans). The last few years, not so much, it's usually a parade with little excitement, most of the drivers are egòtists of the first order, and the rules are stupid. But it's interesting to see that Hamilton isn't the wunderkind everyone thought if he doesn't have the very best ride.
F1 is fine to a degree, but like you, I get tired of the nosebleed egos and the constant clashes between drivers and teams. I have very little actual F1 history to pull from but what it was in the past seemed much better to me in terms of the actual racing and the drivers than it does today. The cars were much more awesome too in so many ways - real machines with a life of their own. There seems to be a lot of spoiled participants and predictable racing - much seems stiff. Maybe I'm all wrong - I do like much about F1 and I keep an open mind.

Having said that, look at this bit of attendance and revenue data as written today by Phillip Horton. Can't argue with the money and the massive following:

"Formula 1 has posted record revenues and fan attendances as interest in the championship continues to grow.

Liberty Media revealed that overall revenue grew from $2.136 billion in 2021 to $2.573 billion in 2022, meaning that payments made to teams will also rise. A prize pool of $1.157 billion will be shared between the 10 teams compared to $1.068 billion the previous year.

Formula 1 also reported a global fan attendance of 5.7 million through the 2022 season, a rise of 36% compared to 2019, the last year in which a comparison is possible due to pandemic restrictions across 2020-21."


That's massive.

Me, I prefer IMSA, WEC, IndyCar, SCCA, etc.
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Totally agree with Bill from Bama. F1 over-regulated to the point of absurdity. I remember when a) there were fuel stops, b) you used whatever tires you wanted, c) funky wings/exhausts provided good/bad results from race to race. Fun to watch, and the element of unknown events that could snatch victory from the jaws of defeat (or vice versa). F1 today is like watching paint dry.

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Nofrills996 wrote: Thu Mar 23, 2023 8:03 am Totally agree with Bill from Bama. F1 over-regulated to the point of absurdity. I remember when a) there were fuel stops, b) you used whatever tires you wanted, c) funky wings/exhausts provided good/bad results from race to race. Fun to watch, and the element of unknown events that could snatch victory from the jaws of defeat (or vice versa). F1 today is like watching paint dry.
I agree but what I don't understand is the worldwide explosion of F1 fan and media interest and the massive revenue growth, growth that continues to grow wildly. Did "Drive to Survive" do all of that? Maybe in the U.S. to a degree but certainly not elsewhere.

(Don't know whether you saw my post further up the thread on Mar 6th w/the F1 revenue and attendance numbers.)

It's mind boggling to me - 400,000 F1 fans at COTA, the insanity of unbridled frenzy for the upcoming Miami & Las Vegas races with silly money for tickets and especially for exclusive packages and more. I'm not completely down on F1 - I just don't understand the massive popularity in light of the usually boring and predictable racing that we have today.

I'm glad that racing in general terms continues its growth, but regarding the top level pro racing, I wish more love was going to IMSA, WEC, etc. I'll add IndyCar too which I still enjoy.
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Good points, but I wonder what “fan” is attending?
Scheduling of multi-day glamour events outside the race, plus the opportunity to see and be seen with celebrities is a $$$$$$ magnet for anyone who may or may not actually care much about nuances of F1 competition or the actual race. But I wonder what proportion of crowds are serious fans of F1 (I.e. who know the drivers, teams, and tracks) as opposed to the former?
As a serious fan of F1, I’m disappointed with the resulting product (the race); but F1 has assembled a brilliant entertainment package for lots of people who are paying the bills! They apparently think they’re getting their money’s worth, and should not be required to watch races throughout the season.

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Nofrills996 wrote: Thu Mar 23, 2023 11:41 am Good points, but I wonder what “fan” is attending?
Scheduling of multi-day glamour events outside the race, plus the opportunity to see and be seen with celebrities is a $$$$$$ magnet for anyone who may or may not actually care much about nuances of F1 competition or the actual race. But I wonder what proportion of crowds are serious fans of F1 (I.e. who know the drivers, teams, and tracks) as opposed to the former?
As a serious fan of F1, I’m disappointed with the resulting product (the race); but F1 has assembled a brilliant entertainment package for lots of people who are paying the bills! They apparently think they’re getting their money’s worth, and should not be required to watch races throughout the season.
As far as the fans attending, you're absolutely correct, especially in the U.S. To your point, F1 is a new, prestigious toy.

It's dismaying to me, but I doubt many of the new F1 fans know anything about what racing was like many years ago. Incredible drivers and machines. Immense sacrifices. It feels like too few care about history and what came before. I don't know much, but I'm awed every time I take a look back. I imagine curiosity will eventually drive new fans in that direction. I hope so!

Anyway, there are other factors that have increased the attendance in one season from 4.2m in 2019 to 5.7m in 2022. (Discounting the virus years of 2020 & 2021.)

If you haven't read it, you might find the article I linked in the Carpokes topic "IndyCar: Talk-Results-News" interesting regarding what F1 marketing is doing and why they are so much more successful in that regard than IndyCar.

"IndyCar Needs to Evolve in Face of F1's Exploding Popularity in the US"
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The article about F1 taking a big bite out of IndyCar was excellent. Thanks for the tip
It does illustrate that F1 is terrific at creating a car/driver/team identity that I’ve never sensed with IndyCar. Though I wish the racing was better, I nonetheless find myself reading about the background stories surrounding every event. I would bet on F1 vs IndyCar any day.

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Bill in Bama wrote: Mon Mar 06, 2023 8:20 am Like many of you, I suspect, I first got interested in F1 from reading Henry Manuel's reports in R&T magazine( OK, you OLD Carpokeans). The last few years, not so much, it's usually a parade with little excitement, most of the drivers are egòtists of the first order, and the rules are stupid. But it's interesting to see that Hamilton isn't the wunderkind everyone thought if he doesn't have the very best ride.
Gotta love autocorrect. Henry Manney. Great writer.
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