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BennSport wrote: Wed May 20, 2026 1:11 pm On an 8v NA car like my own that doesn’t have a removable DME chip, is there any way aside from the butt-dyno to see if my FQS changes make a difference? I would also love to start tuning my car if I could, but I know the early computers have a lot of restrictions
You sure yours doesn't have a removeable EPROM? I have a very old DME (the version before the S100 speed/ref sensor conditioning chip) and it has a socket for the EPROM... ? Not sure how a removable EPROM would help you see if the FQS helps though? If I'm missing the point there, it should be a relatively straightforward task to de-solder the chip and install a socket... This video is about changing a 24 pin socket for a 28 pin socket, but pulling a chip and installing a socket for it is pretty much the exact same thing...



Either way, the FQS is unlikely to create any noticeable performance improvements. Pretty hard to add power to an N/A without it getting expensive fast -- throttle cam, test pipe, cold air intake, maybe a performance camshaft if you don't mind a little lumpiness... Consider weight reduction too -- might be easier and cheaper to drop a couple hundred pounds than it is to add the equivalent amount of power...

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Ah I should’ve specified, my want to try to tune the car and be able to test my fqs changes were 2 separate inquiries. I’m not very familiar with my DME but everything I hear online talks about sourcing a later model dme to do any sort of tuning, I’ll tear mine apart soon and see what I can do. I’m not looking to drop crazy hp numbers on an NA haha, I knew that when I first bought the car. Just wondering if advancements in tuning technology would be able to make the car run a little better/smoother/faster/etc. do cold air intakes do much difference on our cars? I would assume not much since our intake ducting is already situated well away from the engine bay
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BennSport wrote: Wed May 20, 2026 5:41 pm Ah I should’ve specified, my want to try to tune the car and be able to test my fqs changes were 2 separate inquiries. I’m not very familiar with my DME but everything I hear online talks about sourcing a later model dme to do any sort of tuning, I’ll tear mine apart soon and see what I can do. I’m not looking to drop crazy hp numbers on an NA haha, I knew that when I first bought the car. Just wondering if advancements in tuning technology would be able to make the car run a little better/smoother/faster/etc. do cold air intakes do much difference on our cars? I would assume not much since our intake ducting is already situated well away from the engine bay
Got it... I've heard there were DMEs with soldered chips, but I've never actually seen one - and even the very early DME I have has a socket. So the soldered ones are still kind of like Bigfoot to me. Please report back if you see one. :) I have seen chips advertised for n/a cars and the gains are normally very modest. Some of the early N/A chip makers claimed 10-12hp gains but that was probably generous. They generally increased ignition timing trying to extract more power, and in doing so make the car more likely to ping (aka slowly self-destruct). If you ended up with 5 extra hp at the wheels, I doubt you'd ever notice it, but it could put a real strain on your head gasket. You could get the same power with a test pipe and the car will be happier without it...if/where legal anyway. Weight reduction and suspension upgrades are probably the best you can do without spending more on the car than it's worth. That's why most of these discussion end with 'sell it and buy a turbo or S2' if you want more power (unfortunately). Or find yourself a nice LS motor... :shifty:

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I ordered one for a 944 S2. Hopefully I'll be able to give some feedback in a week or two.

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I'd be very surprised if a S2 DME will work in your early car. I think Lindsey Racing has a service where they desolder your chip and install an adapter so you can more easily swap chips, including 28 pin versions (possibly).

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chrischrischris wrote: Thu May 21, 2026 6:39 am I'd be very surprised if a S2 DME will work in your early car. I think Lindsey Racing has a service where they desolder your chip and install an adapter so you can more easily swap chips, including 28 pin versions (possibly).
I'm not sure if you are referring to me but I have an actual 1989 944 S2 and am not the OP with an early 944.

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BennSport wrote: Wed May 20, 2026 5:41 pm Ah I should’ve specified, my want to try to tune the car and be able to test my fqs changes were 2 separate inquiries. I’m not very familiar with my DME but everything I hear online talks about sourcing a later model dme to do any sort of tuning, I’ll tear mine apart soon and see what I can do. I’m not looking to drop crazy hp numbers on an NA haha, I knew that when I first bought the car. Just wondering if advancements in tuning technology would be able to make the car run a little better/smoother/faster/etc. do cold air intakes do much difference on our cars? I would assume not much since our intake ducting is already situated well away from the engine bay
You can play around with the FQS to add or remove fuel, but the changes are minor. It’ll be difficult to really sense what’s going on without wideband O2 readings.

Here’s a dyno sheet from a 1988 NA with the factory AFM and the FQS at 0. You can see at wide open throttle, it runs close to stoichiometric air/fuel ratio (14.7:1), which is good for efficiency and fuel economy. You’ll typically get more power from a 12.5:1 or 13:1 ratio. We bumped the FQS up to +6% fuel and it added about 1.5HP, so technically more performance on paper, but not the kind of numbers you’ll feel behind the wheel.

The factory airbox is already setup as a cool air intake with ample volume available within the housing. The bottleneck is the AFM, so adding a cone-style filter won’t offer a noticeable improvement.
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