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TimD wrote: Tue Jun 27, 2023 6:27 am I use Meguires Hybred Ceramic Wax and detailer on the PPF on my 992 and it looks great. Lots of people even ceramic coat PPF.

blueline wrote: Tue Jun 27, 2023 7:34 am

TimD wrote: Tue Jun 27, 2023 6:27 am I use Meguires Hybred Ceramic Wax and detailer on the PPF on my 992 and it looks great. Lots of people even ceramic coat PPF.

Ceramic coating on top of PPF is the way most of the installers/applicators do it around here too. (It's morphed into a more expensive two-part process.) They've mentioned that doing so makes it easier to keep the car clean among other benefits, such as further protecting the PPF itself and keeping it looking better. That's logical and seems to be a good thing to do. Also, for those who don't PPF the entire car (me) it also makes sense to ceramic coat and/or wax the whole car for consistency.

By the way, from one Tim to another, welcome to Carpokes !!

Tom wrote: Tue Jun 27, 2023 8:18 am

blueline wrote: Tue Jun 27, 2023 7:34 am

TimD wrote: Tue Jun 27, 2023 6:27 am I use Meguires Hybred Ceramic Wax and detailer on the PPF on my 992 and it looks great. Lots of people even ceramic coat PPF.

Ceramic coating on top of PPF is the way most of the installers/applicators do it around here too. (It's morphed into a more expensive two-part process.) They've mentioned that doing so makes it easier to keep the car clean among other benefits, such as further protecting the PPF itself and keeping it looking better. That's logical and seems to be a good thing to do. Also, for those who don't PPF the entire car (me) it also makes sense to ceramic coat and/or wax the whole car for consistency.

By the way, from one Tim to another, welcome to Carpokes !!

Ed's been pushing on me to get it ceramic coated too, but I'm still slow to embrace the idea of paying someone $1500 or whatever to protect the stuff that protects the paint. A few people have recommended Graphene Ceramic Coating, linked below, which I may try. Anyone here ever use it?

https://adamspolishes.com/products/grap ... %20a%20PPF

blueline wrote: Tue Jun 27, 2023 9:10 am

Tom wrote: Tue Jun 27, 2023 8:18 am

blueline wrote: Tue Jun 27, 2023 7:34 am

Ceramic coating on top of PPF is the way most of the installers/applicators do it around here too. (It's morphed into a more expensive two-part process.) They've mentioned that doing so makes it easier to keep the car clean among other benefits, such as further protecting the PPF itself and keeping it looking better. That's logical and seems to be a good thing to do. Also, for those who don't PPF the entire car (me) it also makes sense to ceramic coat and/or wax the whole car for consistency.

By the way, from one Tim to another, welcome to Carpokes !!

Ed's been pushing on me to get it ceramic coated too, but I'm still slow to embrace the idea of paying someone $1500 or whatever to protect the stuff that protects the paint. A few people have recommended Graphene Ceramic Coating, linked below, which I may try. Anyone here ever use it?

https://adamspolishes.com/products/grap ... %20a%20PPF

Ceramics in general (in structural coatings or industrial applications for instance) are pretty amazing but there are certainly pockets of hype. Ceramic types of auto-finish fall into the significant hype category in my opinion, if for nothing else due to the cost.

While the auto ceramics do provide some benefits, they are in essence an overly priced surface finish designed to accomplish much the same as a good wax. And ceramic auto coatings do wear off, just like wax wears off.

Some say that wax should still be used even if you have a ceramic coating which I think is fine and probably true. Either way, ceramic car finishes need renewal and/or reapplication - again, just like wax. Yeah, I had all three of our current Porsche's ceramic coated when new so I am guilty of indulging the product exaggerations and cost. It's kind of what you are expected to do. Peer pressure!

Ceramic coating is, in many respects, a really expensive version of new car dealerships' mop-and-glo add-ons that used to be prevalent everywhere. (Early, less expensive versions of ADMs.)

Tom wrote: Tue Jun 27, 2023 9:55 am

blueline wrote: Tue Jun 27, 2023 9:10 am

Tom wrote: Tue Jun 27, 2023 8:18 am


Ed's been pushing on me to get it ceramic coated too, but I'm still slow to embrace the idea of paying someone $1500 or whatever to protect the stuff that protects the paint. A few people have recommended Graphene Ceramic Coating, linked below, which I may try. Anyone here ever use it?

https://adamspolishes.com/products/grap ... %20a%20PPF

Ceramics in general (in structural coatings or industrial applications for instance) are pretty amazing but there are certainly pockets of hype. Ceramic types of auto-finish fall into the significant hype category in my opinion, if for nothing else due to the cost.

While the auto ceramics do provide some benefits, they are in essence an overly priced surface finish designed to accomplish much the same as a good wax. And ceramic auto coatings do wear off, just like wax wears off.

Some say that wax should still be used even if you have a ceramic coating which I think is fine and probably true. Either way, ceramic car finishes need renewal and/or reapplication - again, just like wax. Yeah, I had all three of our current Porsche's ceramic coated when new so I am guilty of indulging the product exaggerations and cost. It's kind of what you are expected to do. Peer pressure!

Ceramic coating is, in many respects, a really expensive version of new car dealerships' mop-and-glo add-ons that used to be prevalent everywhere. (Early, less expensive versions of ADMs.)

That sums up my sense of it exactly. PPF to protect the paint, ceramic to protect the PPF, wax to protect the ceramic; garage to protect the wax. That, and my cynic sensors start to beep whenever I see backlit studio shot of serum-this or nano-that at hundreds of dollars and ounce. I should try it before knocking it I guess, but the hype gets to me. I've mentioned this before, but have a car collector friend who uses nothing but a can of green Turtle Wax paste on his cars, and he has several Pebble Beach ribbons (including a best in class) to his name. I suppose pampered show cars are different, but still...